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no choice to notify their employees that there are going to be massive layoffs. i'm from virginia. a big defensive state. this is going to mean real jobs in a state that will feel the impact of these cuts that the president seems to support. >> you know, ironically, if we did go off the fiscal cliff and no deal gets done here, it might actually make moody's happy. they're threatening another downgrade. but it could mean higher taxes. is that what you're expecting? >> we don't think higher taxes is the answer. we feel the confidence in the economy rests on the fact the government has to start getting it right. for too long -- >> but it looks like that's where we're going, right? >> i don't think there's any question. if mitt romney wins this election, and i believe he whether, we'll make sure that taxes don't go up and that we go about reforming our tax code the way that most of us on either side of the aisle want to see happen. if the president gets his way and wins the election, taxes are going to go up. it's very clear to me. >> you know, it's man power today saying that -- of course,
, the johnson business school at cornell and darden at university of virginia saw slight increases in mba programs. >> and i agree with you on engineering. i think the jobs of the future, health care, technology for sure. >> absolutely. >> as well as engineering and infrastructure. that's where the growth is. >> but it's all cyclical. if we get another big move on wall street, even though we're sit agent five-year highs, i think you'll see a return to business schools at some point. >> i'm not going to write off wall street. the fact is across the world you're seeing population growth. when you look at the numbers in china and india, those people will need all sorts of financial services, debit cards and credit cards and mortgages. i think there is still tremendous growth in financial services but it's nice to see diverse indication. >> i couldn't agree more. >>> after the bell, shocking, shocking results from a steudy n the capital gains tax effect coming up at the top of the hour. [ male announcer ] the freedom and spirit of malibu is an awesome place to be. introducing the all-new 2013
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